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Sony a6300 suggestions : Improve 1080p, raise temperature limit, and many others!

by dboris Apprentice ‎04-20-2016 01:35 PM - edited ‎10-10-2016 02:00 AM

Hello.

I'm a member of a facebook page about the Sony a6300, with many a6300 owners. I took time watching reviews, and consulting customer's feedback. I came here to talk for them, and I may edit, add suggestions on this post.
The overheat warning isn't as much present as it was since the last firmware update, so I removed the suggestion.

 

  • 1- Improve 1080p
  • 2- Many user's suggestions!
  • 3- Improve remote app - in detail

 

1- Improve 1080p 

The a6300 4K capabilities are amazing, but many want to avoid rolling shutter, or to shoot S35 30/50/60/120p. To be honest, unless sticking the camera on a tripod, or for very slow movements, the 4K mode is hardly usable and makes the footage jerky. So we have to stick with 1080p. But the a6300's 1080p is bad. It's not even as good as it's little brother the a6000. It's not acceptable since it should be an upgrade from it. The a6300's processor is a beast, I guess the processing power shouldn't be a problem. The Fujifilm X-Pro2 that isn't a movie-mode oriented camera, has the same CMOS and has an amazing 1080p quality, less moiré, less noise.
The A7RII offers even better 1080p, and has far more pixels to process. The implementations of it's algorithm in the a6300 shouldn't be such a big deal. Therefore, giving us a far superior 1080p seems realistic.

a6000 vs a6300 (click) 

a6300 vs X-Pro2 (click)

A7RII vs a6300 (click) 

 

Now let's talk about the noise:

4K has far less noise than 1080p with the same settings. The noise patern is better. Here a comparaison with both at ISO800, 24p, Slog-3. Why can't we get the same noise performance in 1080p?

 

4K vs 1080p noise performance (click)

 

We also would love also to get a higher bitrate (is 100mbits possible?) to reduce the color noise we get when grading LOG footage.

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2- Many other suggestions!

 

- Bigger histogram. Exposure metter that's more readable. It's locked to -2 and +2, that's not enough.

- Being able to use it as a webcam, to record directly on the computer (as a capture device) into premiere. It's great for creating content, but may be hardware-limited :/.
- Try to reduce the rolling shutter in 4K mode (I guess Sony is aware of this and it's not possible...).
- Get rid of the NTSC/PAL warning, or show all modes without having to stuck to only PAL or only NTSC

- Being able to see what is ISO value when shooting with AUTO-ISO.

- Add other customisable functions, ex: iso up/down, focus up/down.

- Being able ton set custom Zoom Speed with RM-VPR1 remote. Right now with 18 105 I can't access the "zoom" menu, and the zoom speed is veeeeery slow. So I can't change it remotly.

- Being able to custom W/T buttons, and the shutter and rec buttons. So when using the RM-VPR1 remote, it could be used for other functions, example: pull focus up or down, change ISO or aputure values, etc. Would be AMAZING when used on a gimbal.
- Let us use all AF fonctionalities when recording a video. It's so frustration to be forced to either AF manually or let the camera do it all! Why not let us use DMF mode?

- Save Custom Functions in the Memory Profiles

- Regroup all video functions on one page in the menus

- Fix the markers; they doesn't match what's in the EVF when recording
- Place "Format" function in a more convenient place
- Being able to send only one picture to our PC directly from the camera. Not having to sync all the pictures.
- Enable continuous af & eye af while shooting in hi speed
- Improve the compatibility with A-mount lenses:

     Lock on expandable flexible spot while using the la-ea3 adapter

     Drive Mode HI+ not available in AF-C mode

- Improve adapters stability with A mount. Not normal that Sigma's MC-11 is more reliable than Sony's adapter

- Being able to control the EVF sensor (more details in the comments). Idea already suggested here for the A7RII. Would benefit all the Alpha line.

- When using slog picture profiles, we have to over expose by 1 to 2 stop, in order to get a descent image quality. We'd like to see a exposure meter that is also reliable when used with s-log, so without having the need to over-expose.

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3- Remote app improvement detailed -tested last app version 22/04/2016-

The a6300 doesn't have a touchscreen, but it has Wifi and can be used via Playmemories app. So it can be controled via our phone and tablets. The app have recently vastly been improved. So I will only cover the video part of this, since it's near perfect for photography. It seems that the Playmemories app isn't as good as it could/should be for video.

 

Latency is ok ! Latency with an iPad, is very low, and satisfaying.

 

  • In-App limitations are annoying! I firstly thought that the video stream was limited to 1080p etc. But in fact, you can record 4K in 24p, and still get a video stream via wifi on your Ipad! There's no processing-power limitations! You just have to be first in video mode (on the wheel) parameter what you want, and then launch the remote app. But you can't change your advanced settings (video quality, picture profile and so on!) I'm so happy now! So it's really just an app-fix! So what we want: get all the video parameters available in the remote app! All of them! 

 

  • Touch to focus isn’t there ; the app doesn't allow to touch to focus during video (by taping on the screen of your phone or tablet) while many competitors, and even Canon's 80D allows it. It works in photo, make it work for video!

 

  • It’s too consummer-oriented ; Actually, the app is ok for video, for people who do video blogging, or such. To be honest, I doubt that the casual consummer will take the time to use their camera with a tablet nor see any interest into that. Therefore, it should be more pro-oriented. The UI right now looks lame and isn't nice to use! Better to have simpler UI with more features than fancy animations. What we want:

- Get everything out of the way. Nothing function should be layered on top of the video feed (especially that W/T function!)

- Being able to see focus peaking 

Being able to see Zebras
- Being able to shoot in Slog/with picture profiles

- Full screen page with settings/light meter/histogram with the ability to tap and drag a setting to change it on the fly, in a more simple way. Being able to change not only aperture and shutter, but also picture profile, audio levels, and so on. It would be really useful when on a gimbal or a drone; the camera can hardly be manipulated to set it up.

- Being able to personalise this setting page like the a6300 allow us already

- Being able to get the video feedback through USB for less latency, both on PC/MAC and ANDROID/IOS. Canon's does that. Would basically makes any Ipad/tablets, a better monitoring screen than anything on the market. Fortunately Sony doesn't sell those. So... Smiley Very Happy

 

Expanding video possibilities via wifi would please all videographers, since everyone has at least a smartphone, and every videographer would be happy to make it's phone useful in any way possible. Many competitors aren't there yet, so make the step first.

 

 

  


Thanks for reading and we appreciate that Sony is concerned by it's custommer experience.

 

Replies
by Yui-Chan Rookie
‎04-26-2016 11:01 AM - edited ‎04-26-2016 11:02 AM

 

 

mau_ara_oso:

I completely agree...handheld footage looks completely terrible...the shake + the rolling shutter makes it bad and unusable.

 

mau_ara_oso & dmandrade1978:

 

You guys need to RE-READ my post moe clearly. I NEVER asked for IBIS!!!!!

 

"IBIS" is essentially and literally a hardware mechanism = OPTICAL IS. Which is impossible, obviously, in a firmware update. 

 

"I B I S"  = O P T I C A L  I M A G E   S T A L I B I L S A T I O N

 

What I asked for is ELECTRONIC IS. 

 

E L E C T R O N I C   I M A G E   S T A L I B I L S A T I O N  = SOFTWARE which can be added via a FIRMWARE update. SImilar to what is on the RX1 - merely a software/electronic IS. 

 

ELECTRONIC IS is software (similar to what is available and is used in video editing software..but with very many many cons and drawbacks: specifically hours aded to workflow and rendering times and harddisk space and also losing/changing your originally shot/framed composition (because it "zooms" in for the ELECTRONIC IS effect). 

 

 

 

Can't believe I even had to describe the above. You guys should know these things. 

by dmandrade1978 Rookie
‎04-26-2016 11:11 AM - edited ‎04-26-2016 11:12 AM

Yui-Chan relax. It was just an oversight. I didnt mean any harm in what I said. You did mention the RX1 but it's a little unfair to assume that we knew what you meant. Or that we should already know that. Do I own an RX1? No. I feel as if I am well versed on Sony products, but again, simple misunderstanding. 

 

Anyway, we're all on the same team. I like your idea. I just had to comment on your assumption that we "should" already know that. Here's to hoping they can implement it. 

by steve500 Enthusiast
on ‎06-02-2016 08:20 AM

I agree with all suggestions. 

 

I tested HDMI output to a 1080p native resolution display from my a6300 with 4k mode and 1080p mode, the 1080p mode looked like a muddy mess compared to the detail resolving from 4k mode. 

 

Also, sony does need to push the temperature threshold up on the a6300, I was able to make the a6300 overheat just by putting it in video mode with HDMI outputting to a 1080p display sitting idle ( not recording ) 

by anirbax Enthusiast
on ‎06-05-2016 06:54 AM

(crossposted from another forum)

 

I use the EVF exclusively to compose and shoot. However, from the time I raise the camera to my eye to the EVF switching on, there is a small (less than a second delay). Ideally, I would like a near instantaneous switch on of the EVF. Or, as a workaround, I want to assign a custom button to switch the EVF on/off completely bypassing the proximity sensor.

 

I request Sony to implement this in a firmware fix.

 

I found a workaround. It's ugly, but it works.

 

  1. Put a small tape on the proximity sensor. UGLY.
  2. In Custom (shoot), assign  [Button A] to Finder/Monitor Sel
  3. n Custom (shoot), assign  [Button B] to Deactivate Monitor

Here [Button A] and [Button B] are any two customizable buttons.

 

When first turned on, the camera switches on the EVF. Press [Button A] to switch to Select Monitor. Now monitor shows the live view. Press [Button B] to deactivate the live view and only show shutter speed, aperture and EV comp. This is how I carry the camer around.

 

Just before shooting a scene, I press [Button A] to switch EVF on, and by the time I raise the camera to my eye, the EVF shows the live view.

 

 

On a camera of this class, I shouldn't have to waste two resources (buttons) to accomplish this simple task.

 

 

by rapcon Specialist
on ‎06-27-2016 05:56 PM

I agree with the suggestions.  Image stabilization with OSS lens seems not to be a prominent as with the a6000.  Otherwise, I love the camera.

by dboris Apprentice
on ‎06-27-2016 06:50 PM

Thanks for the support. Please don't forget to click on "me too" Smiley Happy.
I'm glad we've make it there. I hope we'll have good news in the next months.
It's still an amazing camera Smiley Happy

by Underp4ntz Rookie
‎06-29-2016 07:21 PM - edited ‎06-29-2016 07:22 PM

All they can do with 1080p quality is do the same what they did with 4k downsample 6k to 4k.

 

Now downsample 1440p to 1080p to get great results. Even better give us a 1080p RAW recording. and also 4K video in RAW.

Anyways... Only Issue I have is the rolling-shutter and and the brightness decrease of the display while filming at 4k. (can't the battery power both at the same time?).

 

A Feature I would like to see is Anamorphic 1.33x 1.5x and 2x de-squeeze options in the new a6300 firmware and future camera's!

by Kinder Enthusiast
‎07-31-2016 05:31 PM - edited ‎07-31-2016 05:33 PM

 Another bug:

 

- Ratio markers are wrong on the LCD screen when recording (they are for the 3:2 format, but the LCD screen is cropped to 16:9 when recording). They seemed to be OK in the EVF, but not on the LCD screen.

by Bornshlippy Rookie
on ‎08-01-2016 01:42 AM

I completely agree. Just bought the a6300 and i feel with these basic changes it would really make it perfect. 

by ChristiaanK Rookie
on ‎08-01-2016 12:43 PM

Yes, please improve the 1080 quality! I like to shoot 120 fps, so improving the 1080 quality would make this the perfect camera. Please!! 

by skyguide Rookie
on ‎08-04-2016 04:15 AM

The camera is really great but the 1080p is frustrating. Sony please improve the sharpness and noise of 1080p. That would make the camera much better!

by rapcon Specialist
‎08-04-2016 08:33 AM - edited ‎08-18-2016 02:03 PM

I have both the a6000 and the a6300 and Foliodex Smart adapter and here is what I have observed.  The a6000 works perfectly with the adapter to include aperture and image stabilization with a Canon 24-105 f4 IS, 18-55mm f3.5 IS, 100-400 F5.6 IS.  On the A6300 there is something quite different about the camera as image stabilization only works on the 18-55mm STM IS lens.  If there is a firmware fix for this please make that adjustment.  Thanks Sony for the great cameras!

 

Update:  Although not mentioned as a fix, the Foliodex Smart adapter now works perfectly with my other lens after upgrading the firmware.  So I guess we should always be looking for those undocumented fixes.  Thanks Sony!

 

 

by CHDigital Rookie
on ‎08-15-2016 12:12 AM

I would like to see an option in the LUT profile for SLog2 that corrects 2+ and 3+ over exsposure as the LUT profiles do not account for this (as we know to expose correctly in SLog2 and to reduce noise we are exposing 2 stops over) and therefore the image viewed is too bright. Or at least let us select 400 and 200 ISO in SLog2 mode just for the puropse of composing and gaining critical focus as this will help in viewing whin 2 or 3 stops over and then let us select 800 ISO when we are happy with the look.

by WildBill-MN Enthusiast
on ‎08-18-2016 11:53 AM

There are some modes, maybe AF Tracking (sorry, at work now and can't remember exactly) that work fantasticaly with the 70-200/4 native E-mount lens, but are invalid with the 70-400G via LA-EA3 adapter.  However, if I am in that mode with the E-mount lens, and just switch lenses, it seems to work pretty wellwith the 70-400G for a while.  Then, it locks up.  Removing the lens and re-seating it gets the camera back.

 

Since it works for a little while, it should be able to work always. There is probably just a bug in the communications that gets an invalid response sometimes.  Hopefully, that bug can be resolved so the 70-400G can be used with the full focus features of the a6300.  Yeah, the LA-EA4 sort-of does those functions, but the EA3 will always have more accurate focus.

by MitoKafander Enthusiast
on ‎09-08-2016 02:20 PM

Hello!

 

Just why I came here to say about the Play Memories Smart Controll APP functionality.

 

I use the Sony A7SII with a CAME Optimus gimbal and most of the time the gimbal is set on a monopod and just like a staff wielding ninja I go around and grab wicked footage. 

 

The only thing that's stoping me from mounting my phone as a second screen to a shoulder rig or somewhere easily viewable is the fact that I cannot use the full functionality when trying to shoot video. The picture profiles do an amazing job when it comes to dynamic range and I'm a bit dissapointed that the app hasn't been updated to accomodate these features.

 

I hope sony reads these forums and picks up this idea and we'll have an update for the app soon. Otherwise I'll have to invest in some FPV electronics and have my rig look like some crapy bundle of wires thanks to my poor soldering skills.

by timpanic Rookie
on ‎01-12-2017 01:00 PM

Please please please update the 1080p and the bitrate.

It´s a shame that I have to use my blackmagic pocket for every HD shot cause the A6300 HD footage is so mushy against the pocket. Also the bending im smooth areas in 4k is worse than on the pocket footage. Also the HD is terrible noisy...slog 2/3 indoors unusable.

 

First I was very happy with it, but after a while and comparing it against my pocket I have to admit that the A6300 is no

real upgrade from the pocket camera. In the end there was no reason to sell my a6000 for it. Only good thing is, that I did not even loose more money with upgrading to the a6500 with the same bad HD.