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Apprentice
Posts: 30
Registered: ‎04-10-2014
Message 1 of 38 (6,822 Views)

FS7 vs. A7S

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Hi folks,

 

Not sure this is the right place, but I am hoping your input here could help elucidate my decision-making.

I'm about to invest in a new camera and I've come down to the following 2 options:

 

A) Sony FS7

B) Sony A7S + Odyssey7Q+ 

 

With a few basic accessories on both (batteries, EF adapter, cards), I've been able to price the FS7 at the $9600 mark, while the A7S+7Q+ combo will come close to $5000.

 

Should I go with the FS7 and reach a wider market and range of applications with 10-bit recording and 180fps, or save $4600 or use that money elsewhere?

 

Apprentice
Posts: 13
Registered: ‎12-16-2014
Message 2 of 38 (6,758 Views)

Re: FS7 vs. A7S

IMO you aswered it yourself.  If your market can't jusify the cost of a camera, financially speaking, look for other options.

Expert
Posts: 57
Registered: ‎12-06-2014
Message 3 of 38 (6,731 Views)

Re: FS7 vs. A7S

I have always hated to shoot with DSLRs, so I would go for the FS7. As it´s a video camera sound and handling is a breeze.

It could (not saying it always would) benefit you to come to a job carrying the FS7 as it´s a more professional camera, and you would be taken more seriuosly by your clients, and that could lead to better jobs down the line.

But the price difference is big, so I understand it´s a tough call.

Expert
Posts: 97
Registered: ‎11-01-2014
Message 4 of 38 (6,698 Views)

Re: FS7 vs. A7S

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I don't buy the whole "but you'll look more pro!" argument. That aside, I own both cameras (and a Shogun).

 

It's a tough call, but I'd go with the FS7 first. You're getting a superior form factor, with much less operational hassle. But keep in mind the FS7 is much more expensive to run, media wise (about 2x I think I figured once) for 4K.  You also get 10 bits out of it which can be a huge help in correcting errors in post or manipulating the LOG image. Then there's the built in XLRs and long lasting batteries and shoulder mounting and so on.

 

The A7s gets you only 8 bits, but it is a beautiful 8 bits. I actually think the image out of the A7S looks a little more filmic, though it's easy enough to get the FS7 to match in post.

 

If money is an issue, save your $$ and get the FS7 combo. You will sacrifice some usability and flexibility in post, but really the A7s looks stunning in 4K.

Expert
Posts: 57
Registered: ‎12-06-2014
Message 5 of 38 (6,688 Views)

Re: FS7 vs. A7S

It's not an argument. It's a simple fact, that among many perception plays a part.
I made that clear, and between the to cameras, one is a pro video camera and the other is a still camera (that can produce nice images, but ******ty sound)

I have also seen a lot of folks all kitted out, but no clue what to do. That's only okay if you are honest about your skill set.
And I also think you can grow further with a FS7 than a DSLR
Expert
Posts: 37
Registered: ‎11-02-2013
Message 6 of 38 (6,679 Views)

Re: FS7 vs. A7S

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I've used both and own an FS7 and I personally believe the FS7 is considerably better and more cinematic than the A7S.

 

Here's a side by side so can see what I mean

 

https://vimeo.com/112820371

 

The biggest difference is color science. FS7 has the newer CineEI look which is very filmic. Also, the FS7 has the LC709a look profile which is very filmic looking. A7S had the more traditional "Sony Look" that many try to get away from. Plus, S-Log really requires 10-bit. The A7S with it's 8-bit image just look thin IMO.

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Specialist
Posts: 16
Registered: ‎08-12-2014
Message 7 of 38 (6,658 Views)

Re: FS7 vs. A7S

Hi Pedromiguez,

 

I use an F5 and purchased an A7S for it's low light capability and to use as a B camera on some shoots.  I also have an FS7 for its weather sealing and for the options that it offers.

 

As has already been mentioned the A7S image is pleasing and the full frame sensor helps in some situations, however, I now mainly use my F5 and FS7.  The FS7 has a wide range of codecs, better ergonomics than the A7S, internal QFHD, is expandable, further updates in the pipeline etc.

 

Have a look at Doug Jensen's FS7 guide for details that may help you to judge the FS7 capabilities against your requirements.  

 

You can find it here - http://vimeo.com/ondemand/fs7

 

Good luck.

 

Regards,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Expert
Posts: 97
Registered: ‎11-01-2014
Message 8 of 38 (6,569 Views)

Re: FS7 vs. A7S

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JoachimHoge - "perception" is a subjective thing and certaily not fact. Smiley Happy

 

Many clients could care less what you have as long as it looks great. Other more savvy folks like producers will care - but knowing both cameras make a smiliar image, I wouldn't care too much personally between these cameras if the cameraperson was good.

 

In theory, long as the cameraperson can get the shots I need, and it meats my minimum spec, they could show up with a Fisher Price camera for all I care. (if it did at least 12 stops 422 in low light and HD.)

 

You said there are plenty who have tons of kit and can't perform. The converse is also true. I've seen it. As a producer, the work product speaks loudest to me, though the camera is a consideration. As a shooter, obviously I care about the camera more as to how easy it makes it for me to create that quality product for the producer.

 

I would never guide someone towards buying one camera or piece of gear over the other just to "look" more professional. That means nothing except they have a credit card. Show me the work.

Expert
Posts: 97
Registered: ‎11-01-2014
Message 9 of 38 (6,567 Views)

Re: FS7 vs. A7S

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Gene:

 

I'll agree to disagree with you. I have matched the two cameras just fine here, as have others on this board who have shot much more than I have. If you know your camera's limitations, you can work around them.

Define "filmic". In my mind that means wide DR, a decent amount of detail, some grain, and a bit of blur/"gauze". If anything I think the FS7 looks too sharp out of the box, and as such, is less "filmic". You can make them match if you want.

The 10 bit is a hinderance with the A7S if you want to push/pull the image or correct shoddy camerawork, yes.

And the color science on both of them is inferior to ARRI and Canon insofar as the difficulty it takes getting natural skin tones out of the box. (Sony can be tweaked to get there.)

Expert
Posts: 97
Registered: ‎11-01-2014
Message 10 of 38 (6,567 Views)

Re: FS7 vs. A7S

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zenpix:

 

If I had to choose amongst those 3 cameras, I'd use F5 for A cam, FS7 B cam, A7S C cam. But i'd use them and intercut them all.

The A7S looks amazing and I stick by it. Just don't screw up the exposure or white balance or you have little to fix it with in the 8 bits. Smiley Happy I own both, and use both.

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